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The Wind in Bible versus Quran (2)

This is the second article of the series:" The Wind in Bible versus Quran".

 

The Bible says that the Almighty Creator 1) made the Winds His Angels, 2) His servants are flames of fire, 3) He has chariot, 4) He walks on the wings of wind and 5) He made the earth never moves etc.  The Noble Quran says that Naught is as Allah's likeness in attributes.  Any form, picture, thoughts that you put the Almighty Creator in it is absolutely mistaken.

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The Wind in the Bible (2)

 

In Psalm 104:1-8, Kind David says:

"Bless Jehovah, O my soul. O Jehovah my God, thou art very great; You are clothed with honor and majesty:  Who covers himself with light as with a garment; Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain; Who lays the beams of his chambers in the waters; Who makes the clouds his chariot; Who walks upon the wings of the wind; Who makes winds his Angels; Flames of fire his servants; Who set the foundations of the earth, that it should not be moved for ever. You cover it with the deep as with vesture; the waters stood above the mountains.  At thy rebuke they fled; At the voice of your thunder they hasted away.  They flowed over the mountains; they went down into the valleys, to the place you assigned for them."

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Herein, there are some important points:

1) The Bible describes the lord God, the Almighty Creator as:

• He has clothes
• He covers himself with light as with a garment
• He stretches out the heavens like a curtain
• He lays the beams of his chambers in the waters
• His chariot is made of clouds
• He walks upon the wings of the wind
• He makes winds his Angels
• His servants are flames of fires
• He set the foundations of the earth
• His voice is the thunder

 

2) The Bible says that the earth has foundations and it should not be moved for ever.

3) The speed of the Lord God was that of the wind.

4) The wind has wings!

 

Moreover, there are some discrepancies in the translation of some words in the many versions of the Bible e.g.:

• In some Bible's versions, the word "Angel" is translated to "messenger".
• In some Bible's versions, the word "wind" is translated to "spirit".
• In some Bible's versions, the word "curtain" is translated to "tent".

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On the other hand, all of the above points are ABSOLUTELY rejected in the Noble Quran because:

 

1) The Noble Quran says that Naught is as Allah's likeness in attributes.  Any form, picture, thoughts that you put the Almighty Creator in it is absolutely wrong.

2) The Almighty Creator is not a body

3) The thunder is not the voice of the Almighty Creator.

4) When the Almighty Creator decides upon a matter, when He wants to do anything, He only says to it ‘Be!’ and it is.

5) The speed of the Lord God was that of the wind; for instance, does not He know the speed of the light?  However, Naught is as Allah's likeness in attributes. 

6) The wind has no wings!

7) the Angels are created from the Pure Light.

the Angels are the servants of the Almighty Creator and they never disobey Him.

9) The earth has No foundations and it is rounded and it moves

10) The Great Prophet King David can not say that about the Almighty Creator simply because he knows better who Allah is.

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Aside from the Bible and the Quran, boys in schools know very well that the earth moves and it has two types of movements: the first one is around the sun at about 100,000 km/h.  It takes 365 days (1 year/12 months) for the Earth to complete one revolution around the Sun. and the other around itself. It takes 24 hours for the earth to spin around itself.

These two movements are responsible for the seasonal changes and the day and night respectively.

I really do not believe that the Lord God or King David says that the earth foundations and it should not be moved for ever. .

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Psalm 104:1-8 in three different versions of the Bible:

 

New International Version

1 Praise the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, you are very great; you are clothed with splendor and majesty.

2 He wraps himself in light as with a garment; he stretches out the heavens like a tent

3 and lays the beams of his upper chambers on their waters. He makes the clouds his chariot and rides on the wings of the wind.

4 He makes winds his messengers, flames of fire his servants.

5 He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.

6 You covered it with the deep as with a garment; the waters stood above the mountains.

7 But at your rebuke the waters fled, at the sound of your thunder they took to flight;

8 they flowed over the mountains, they went down into the valleys, to the place you assigned for them.

 

King James Version

1Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty.

2Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:

3Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:

4Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:

5Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

6Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.

7At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.

8They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them.

 

Young's Literal Translation

1Bless, O my soul, Jehovah! Jehovah, my God, Thou hast been very great, Honour and majesty Thou hast put on.

2Covering himself [with] light as a garment, Stretching out the heavens as a curtain,

3Who is laying the beam of His upper chambers in the waters, Who is making thick clouds His chariot, Who is walking on wings of wind,

4Making His messengers -- the winds, His ministers -- the flaming fire.

5He hath founded earth on its bases; It is not moved to the age and for ever.

6The abyss! as with clothing Thou hast covered it, Above hills do waters stand.

7From Thy rebuke they flee, From the voice of Thy thunder haste away.

8They go up hills -- they go down valleys, Unto a place Thou hast founded for them.

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The Wind in the Noble Quran (2)

In this article, the following three points will be discussed:

1) The Historical destructive wind as a Punishment for the disbelievers of the Ancient nation of Aad

2) What if Allah wants to do anything?

3) The Precious verse (faith-wise) of the Quran that describes the Almighty Creator

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1) The Historical destructive wind as a Punishment for the disbelievers of the Ancient nation of Aad.

Verses 69:4-8 of the Noble Quran describe this destructive wind!

 

Historical Background:

Aad was an ancient nation.  Aad nation is always mentioned in the Noble Quran as a nation that came after Noah.  Allah sent his Prophet Hud to the people of Aad; some of them believed and many of them disbelieved. Allah punished the disbelievers of Aad by the wind and He saved the believers. The people of Aad were famous by their outstanding might.

It is said that Aad nation lived at the south of Saudi Arabia, nearby Yemen.

The Prophet Hud was Arabic.

The nation of Aad and the Prophet Hud are not mentioned in the Bible.

Thamud was an ancient nation. Thamud nation came after the nation of Aad; it is always mentioned in the Noble Quran as a nation that came after Aad.

Allah sent his Prophet Salih to the people of Thamud; some of them believed and many of them disbelieved. Allah punished the disbelievers of Thamud when they killed the Camel which was the miracle of the Prophet Salih who warned his people not to hurt that Camel and they agreed but they never kept their word.  The miraculous Camel emerged from a big rock and it has no father and no mother; it came out as an intact adult Camel following Allah's will when He says to anything He wants: Be! And it is.

The people of Aad were famous by the might and transgression.

It is said that Aad nation lived at the northern part of Saudi Arabia, nearby Yemen.

The nation of Thamud is too not mentioned in the Bible may be because the Prophet Salih was Arabic too.

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The meanings of verses 69:4-8

Verses 69:4

The nation of Thamud and the nation of Aad both disbelieved in the Resurrection to come and they denied their Prophets and refuted the Day of Judgment.

Verses 69:5

As for Thamud, they were destroyed by the overwhelming Roar, an excessively severe shout of the Angel Gabriel. They were destroyed because of their transgression and idolatry; and it is said that their transgression drove them to disbelieve until they were destroyed.

Verses 69:6

And as for Aad, they were destroyed by a fierce roaring wind. The wind was deafening, intensely clamorous, violent wind, [that was] powerful and severe [in its assault] upon Aad, despite their power and might.

Verses 69:7

Allah forced and imposed that wind upon them uninterruptedly for seven nights and eight days with the same force so that you might have seen the people therein lying prostrate, lying dead on the ground, as if they were the hollow, collapsed, trunks of palm-trees.

Verses 69:8

So do you O Muhammad see any remnant of them? Do you see one remaining?’ No!

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Verses 69:4-8 of the Noble Quran in four different translations:

 

Verses 69:4

QARIB: Thamood and Aad belied the clatterer.

SHAKIR: Samood and ad called the striking calamity a lie

PICKTHAL: (the tribes of) Thamud and Aad disbelieved in the judgment to come.

YUSUFALI: the Thamud and the 'ad people (branded) as false the stunning calamity!

 

Verses 69:5

QARIB: Thamood, they were destroyed by the violent shout (of Gabriel),

SHAKIR: then as to Samood, they were destroyed by an excessively severe punishment

PICKTHAL: as for Thamud, they were destroyed by the lightning.

YUSUFALI: but the Thamud, - they were destroyed by a terrible storm of thunder and lightning!

 

Verses 69:6

QARIB: as for Aad, they were destroyed by a howling, violent wind

SHAKIR: and as to ad, they were destroyed by a roaring, violent blast

PICKTHAL: and as for Aad, they were destroyed by a fierce roaring wind,

YUSUFALI: and the 'ad, they were destroyed by a furious wind, exceedingly violent;

 

 Verses 69:7

QARIB: that he subjected upon them for seven nights and eight days consecutively and you might have seen them struck down as if they were the stumps of palm trees that had fallen down.

SHAKIR: which he made to prevail against them for seven nights and eight days unremittingly, so that you might have seen the people therein prostrate as if they were the trunks of hollow palms

PICKTHAL: which he imposed on them for seven long nights and eight long days so that thou mightest have seen men lying overthrown, as they were hollow trunks of palm-trees.

YUSUFALI: he made it rage against them seven nights and eight days in succession: so that thou couldst see the (whole) people lying prostrate in its (path), as they had been roots of hollow palm-trees tumbled down!

 

Verses 69:8

QARIB: can you see any remnant of them now?

SHAKIR: do you then see of them one remaining?

PICKTHAL: canst thou (O Muhammad) see any remnant of them?

YUSUFALI: then seest thou any of them left surviving?

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2) What if Allah wants to do anything?

 

Verse 36: 82 says:

 

QARIB: when he wills a thing, his command is to say to it 'be', and it is!

SHAKIR: his command, when he intends anything, is only to say to it: be, so it is

PICKTHAL: but his command, when he intendeth a thing, is only that he saith unto it: be! and it is.

YUSUFALI: verily, when he intends a thing, his command is, "be", and it is!

 

The meanings of the verse:

 

His command, His affair, when He wills a thing, that is, [when He will] to create something, or to do anything is just to say to it ‘Be’, and it is.

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3) The Precious verse (faith-wise) of the Quran that describes the Almighty Creator

 

Verse 42: 11 says

 

QARIB: the originator of the heavens and the earth, he has given you from yourselves, pairs, and also pairs of cattle, thereby multiplying you. there is nothing like him. he is the hearer, the seer.

SHAKIR: the originator of the heavens and the earth; he made mates for you from among yourselves, and mates of the cattle too, multiplying you thereby; nothing like a likeness of him; and he is the hearing, the seeing

PICKTHAL: the creator of the heavens and the earth. he hath made for you pairs of yourselves, and of the cattle also pairs, whereby he multiplieth you. naught is as his likeness; and he is the hearer, the seer.

YUSUFALI: (he is) the creator of the heavens and the earth: he has made for you pairs from among yourselves, and pairs among cattle: by this means does he multiply you: there is nothing whatever like unto him, and he is the one that hears and sees (all things).

 

The meanings of the verse:

 

He (Allah) is the Originator of the heavens and the earth, the One Who created them [without precedent]. He has made for you, from your own selves, pairs, when He created Eve from Adam’s rib, and [also] pairs, males and females, of the cattle and whereby He multiplies you through marriage. There is nothing like Him; there is no likeness of Him, exalted be He). He is the Hearer, of what you say, the Seer, of your works.  Naught is as His likeness in attributes, knowledge, power and providence etc.

The basic point of faith is that Naught is as your Almighty creator.

Since man is a creature which has Spirit that gives him like; and since Naught is as the likeness of your Creator, then the Almighty Creator has NO SPIRIT.

Hence, the Almighty Creator is not a body or material like us.  Any form, picture or thoughts that you put the Almighty Creator in it is absolutely wrong.

According to the Islamic Rule of Faith, if any one put the Almighty Creator in any form, picture or thoughts, he or she is Disbeliever and has No faith; and he will end up in the Hereafter as a dweller of the Eternal Fire.

This is in spite of what name(s) you are giving to your Almighty Creator e.g. Allah, Lord, God, Jehovah etc.

On the other hand, the vice versa is absolutely True!

 

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Back to my question to the smart and interested reader:

Is the Quran quoted from the Bible?

About the Author

Professor Dr. Ibrahim Khalil
 Prof. of Clinical and Chemical Pathology,
 Head of Clinical Microbiology and Infection Control Unit, Ain-Shams University. Cairo, Egypt,
 President of the Egyptian Society of Inventors,
 Member of the Egyptian union of Writers,
 Published some 60 Medical Articles,
 Supervisors for 79 PhD theses,
 Supervisors for 111 Master Degree theses,
 Co-Chief Editor of the Egyptian Journal of Lab. Medicine,
 Honorary President of SPIC-Egypt (The Society of Practitioners of Infection Control – Egypt)

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With the enormous growth of the Hispanic population residing in USA, and with their massive shift away from conservatism and toward liberalism, liberals are a force to be reckonned with in US politics.

The unions, particularly SEIU and NEA, play a huge role in getting out the liberal vote.

NEA members are generally intellectual prostitutes who have gone into teaching to make a living. Their profession is a complete and total fraud. They are huge obscurers of truth. More than Rush Limbaugh, more than Ann Coulter, or Dinesh DeSousa. Huge.

The lesson plan, the textbook, the course syllabus and the school itself are their platform, and they have 12 years to brainwash their victims, and they don't waste that time, they use it.

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The right and the left are pretty far from the truth, the right because they are paranoid machine guns and the left because they are brainwashed androids (read Orwell "1984").

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It's not a simple world, nor a Manichean one. There is a struggle between good and evil, but all political sides and parties have plenty of both. It's all higgledy piggledy.

We love the simplifiers. Someone who can just tell us which side to be on, and the tell us what to think now that we are on that side.

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